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Race deserves no place in university admissions

UW should focus on more kinds of diversity than simply skin color.

By Andrew Carpenter

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Published: Tuesday, November 17, 2009

Updated: Tuesday, November 17, 2009

Diversity is a recurring theme at UW-Madison and, as always, the discussion turns to race. Administrators who focus on the color of students’ skin continue to find a lack of diversity, which is a nice way of saying we are too white. Responding to this crisis of superficial uniformity has been a favorite task of chancellors, committees, and columnists for decades. While the overwhelming sea of good intentions is aimed at increasing diversity, I would argue that there are almost no students who pay any attention to race.

To their credit, students at Madison are relatively colorblind, choosing to judge their classmates on their character, effort and achievement, rather than on the color of their skin. While we do see acts of intolerance and ignorance on a daily basis, in general it is much harder to be racist than to be a minority on campus.

While Madison is overflowing with diversity of background, socioeconomic status, experience and opinion, promoters of diversity seem to only be satisfied with the type of diversity they can see. To achieve a racially balanced student population, the committees and professional administrators of our school continue to insist ethnicity plays a major roll in our admission process. The refusal to accept the type of diversity which matters has a detrimental effect on an otherwise open and unbiased campus. It also sends a negative message to minority students throughout the state.

When we set racial goals for our student body, as seen in programs like Plan 2008, it sends a strong message to minority students: It says “We don’t believe you can succeed on your own.” By admitting students based on race, we tell them that their achievements and hard work are not enough. Instead of treating blacks, Asians, Pacific Islanders, and Native Americans like equals, we give them a hand out by helping them overcome their supposed handicap. We do not want to help solely minorities, we want to help everyone who has not had equal access to opportunity. While it is true poorer students have a harder time getting an upper-level education, being poor is not an ethnicity.

The effect of racial quotas and goals on white students is extremely complex. Race-based efforts provide a mental obstacle for Caucasian students to overcome. While the overwhelming majority of students actively seek out and love interacting with diverse and new people, race-based admissions can bring up an unsettling idea of how that minority student sitting next to you in lecture got into UW. However, without racial considerations in our admissions process, there would be no reason to suspect something different about that minority student from class because each person of color would have an equally unique background compared to a white student. But by focusing on the color of their skin rather than just their achievements, the university administration implants the idea that there might be something different about minority students: They might not be as smart.

If all admission criteria and population goals were aimed at getting the best and the brightest students to come to Madison, there would be no reason to believe a student got in because of their race. It makes sense to expect minority students to drop out at higher rates than white students now, since some minority students were not admitted solely on their ability to succeed at a Big Ten school.

We need to show that we believe race has nothing to do with a student’s potential. To do this, we must invest heavily to make sure all Wisconsin residents have the same access to quality education and resources and then we must forget about race. Trying to artificially diversify our campus through racial goals does nothing to help the poor and undereducated but, instead, perpetuates racial stereotypes and indoctrinates minorities into a system of handouts.

Andrew Carpenter is a senior majoring in communication arts and psychology. Please send all feedback to opinion@dailycardinal.com. 

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Jack Karome
Tue Jan 5 2010 02:42
While I disagree with the opinion of the author, I am amazed by the individuals posting in the comments section. To immediately call the author a racist, ignorant, and privileged white person is just as uninformed and ignorant as the article itself. You know nothing about the author of this article except for what you projected onto him from your own experiences. Also, by attacking the author you are giving no ground for debate and/or growth with/in the author.
Kaitlin Dunn
Mon Dec 7 2009 22:55
Mr. Carpenter, you are free to have your own opinion, but you should at least do some research to find out how much time and effort students in IT and PEOPLE put in. These are not "handouts" as you called them, but great oppertunities for students.
One of the most important forms of diversity present on any campus is not the diversity in race, but the diversity in opinion and belief. Schools should stop counting the different races they have on campus as the level of diversity. I would rather have a school where I can learn things based on the different personal backgrounds, stuggles, and beliefs of my fellow classmates. It shouldn't matter what race those classmates are!
Schools should not even ask what race a student is, seeing how it is not an essential part of the applying or admissions process. Colleges already judge us base us on our grades, community service, and test scores, why should we let them add race to that list as well. Race does not affect our desire and want for a higher education and it shouldn't . When I say that I am caucasian on college apps I wonder why it is necessary. I don't want to be admitted to a college because I am a certain race, but instead on how much I want to learn and how much I have worked for it. We all have to go to school, we all have the oppertunity to learn something if we try, race is not a factor in that. Nor should it be when we choose where we want to learn.
Chris Reinstad
Wed Dec 2 2009 23:47
Its crazy to see some of these comments taking personal shots at this guy.

He is stating his opinion, and thats it. There are plenty of people out there that agree with him but don't say anything because the fear of being labeled a "racist."

People should be admitted based on their qualifications, and in my book race isn't a qualification.

Sabrina Collins
Wed Dec 2 2009 02:02
Andrew Carpenter this article shows that you have no idea what diversity is, what equality is and have no desire to learn. The fact that there are many other majority students and faculty on campus with similar racist beliefs like yourself really upsets me but gives me the drive CONTINUE to succeed and become YOUR boss one day! For you to say “white students are colorblind, race doesn’t matter because no one pays attention to it, that you judge your classmates based on character and not the color of their skin AND that it is harder to be a racist than a minority,” is a complete joke, a lie and the most ignorant statement a white boy like yourself can make. When you say that you wonder how the minority students sitting in lecture got into UW and that they are not as smart. I will have you know, minority students are admitted to this university, are admitted on merit, intelligence level, achievements, extensive volunteer and community involvement, and because they are QUALIFIED not because of their race. If that is the case why is the percentage of minority students so low at UW why aren’t all minorities getting in???? Did you consider that? I am sure you didn’t. The fact that we often have to be MORE QUALIFIED than majority white students, work harder, are more involved and get higher grades to be admitted and given a fair chance when there are white students who play with the system of white privilege to get admitted to UW and other universities. Why don’t you comment on that Mr. Carpenter? The fact that you have the audacity to say that is harder to be a racist than a minority on campus when you have absolutely no idea what is like to be a minority on campus is disturbing, idiotic and just plain stupid. I understand you know what it is like to be a racist but a minority, you have no idea. Before you compare and contrast the latter you should take the time to get your information correct and actually speak to a minority student. I am positive you didn’t interview or speak to anyone who is a minority who dropped out. White students drop out all the time at this university, review the statistics my friend. Is it because they were admitted on white privilege, white favoritism, or because they weren’t smart enough? I’m going to need you to get over yourself! I am honestly wondering how you got into this university. I am going to need you to get your facts straight and in the future is you are going to write, do so on something you actually have knowledge about or have researched. It is sad that of the 4 yrs you experienced in college you never once reached out to get to know someone who is different from you or experiences the beauty and knowledge synonymous with diversity. It is beyond me but it simply reveals your true character. Here is some advice to you. Please do NOT write another article pertaining to diversity, I am going to need you to open your eyes and expand your horizons and realize that you are NO BETTER OR SMARTER than anyone else. Minority students are admitted NOT because of their race but because of what they have done, grades and achievements. Please get your facts and info together. It is 2009, DO SOME RESEARCH, and realize that you need to diversify yourself and I am sure you will become a better person as a result.
Amy Giffin
Sun Nov 29 2009 20:11
Where in the article does Andrew ever state that race is the only reason that people of an ethnicity other than Caucasian are let in? I really feel that many people who commented on this article completely misunderstood the point he was trying to get across and completely bashed him for bringing up a good argument.

Yes Madison should be more diverse, but race shouldn't be the only factor in admissions which, from the comments I read about the University's policies, it apparently isn't. so yay!

Jay Babcock
Sat Nov 28 2009 18:45
There are so many issues that need to be considered in this argument, that you clearly haven't, that I began to question how you were accepted into this university. You are making an assumption that school admissions being based only on race (which is NOT what Plan 2008 suggests) would welcome students who are inferior, or have internalized a hidden message from the Admissions Dept. that they are not as smart. The problem with basing your argument there is the measurement of intelligence, college-readiness, and educational opportunities for the majority of minority students carries inherent biases that make them nearly impossible to compare across cultures and races. If you'd like a bibliography of suggested readings on the suggest please feel free to contact me, or anyone else in the School of Education that works with diversity issues. I realize this was an opinion piece (and I assume that is the reason why you felt you did not need to reference ANY of the faculty on campus who have built their careers on multicultural education), and it was helpful to me as an example of how ill-informed the opinions of our undergraduates are even after nearly 4 years of being educated on campus where you believe it is harder to be racist than to be a minority.
VIcky Jones
Wed Nov 25 2009 16:06
To me, the big two-part question is: What place does privilege play in setting admission standards? and How do we quantify that?

I agree that race plays no role in a person's "potential." But, from the day a person is born, he/her "potential" is shaped and reshaped by every gift and challenge s/he faces throughout his/her life -- from the quality of parenting s/he receives to the economic conditions s/he was born into to the way s/he is treated or even looked at (or ignored) by strangers. Those of us who are white and middle class are mostly unaware of the privilege embedded in our personal histories, because we've never been without it -- it follows us around like a lucky fog. As a friend of mine observed once, "Whoever it was who discovered water, it wasn't a fish."

Universities make an effort to quantify all of this with ACT scores, GPAs, personal essays, interviews, etc. Race has also been used as a shortcut quantification, in that certain assumptions could be made about a person's gifts and challenges based on his/her racial or ethnic heritage. When we fret about "diversity," that's what we're really fretting about, I think -- whether we have been able to adequately quantify those qualities that make them good candidates for our school according to the standards we have set. (See my first paragraph, above.) Should the same high ACT score presented by two different students be weighed equally if privilege made it easier/harder for one student than the other? And, if we believe that they should be weighted differently, how do we determine the weight? What, exactly, then, does "diversity" mean in this context? And is it "diversity" we are striving for, and/or "justice," "equity," "depth," "breadth," or some other standard that enriches our academic community and lives? How do we quantify the challenges faced, for example, by a poor rural teenager or a street-smart urban teenager in terms of their readiness for college and their suitability for OUR college?

We all need to look beyond what seems evident on the surface to the history underlying the surface. The "potential" that students bring to a university is potential that was developed over their whole lives -- they have achieved what they have both because of the privilege they have unknowingly enjoyed and because of the muscles they built up overcoming the challenges presented by privilege denied them. The choices each of us makes matter more than we can ever know.

Here are some books I can recommend if you want to think about this more deeply:
Race Matters by Cornel West
Jefferson's Pillow by Roger Wilkins
Privilege, Power, and Difference by Allan Johnson

Pa Yiar Khang
Mon Nov 23 2009 19:50
Mr. Carpenter,

With all due respect to your perspective on affirmative action, I believe you are severely ill-informed of the history of race in the United States. Of course race is a cultural construction, a superficial means of identification--one that we have created ourselves. But, unfortunately this shallow form of distinction has had such a significant role in our society. Race, is irrevocably embedded within our history and has created the racial hierarchy that exists today. To deny the relevance of race and claim that we live in a color-blind society is dangerously ignorant. I suppose it's more comfortable for you, Mr. Carpenter, to conveniently delude yourself that we exist in such a society. Maybe this is self-deception or ignorance, but either way, I hope you reconsider and evaluate why such policies like affirmative action do exist.

Alex Timtumbo
Sat Nov 21 2009 21:43
Though at times Andrew may use a poor choice of words, I don't think that it is quite necessary to call him a racist. It seems that anybody who would risk a view that does not support affirmative action related policies is recently more in danger of being called a racist than ever. The logic "either you must acknowledge this as racist, or else you are a racist" is extreme and inane. I believe that using race as a grounds for admission is implicitly racist. Assigning intrinsic value/disvalue to anybody based on the color of their skin is the definition of racism. As a member of these "minorities," I find the idea of a racial quota to be extremely offensive. Suggesting that "well now we have X number of black people, and Y number of Latin-Americans, etc. (I am oversimplifying), we can now call ourselves diverse in our pamphlets" ignores the concept of true diversity, as well as neglects the individual merits of people of minorities. Yes, people do not have all the same opportunities given to them, but these do not follow racial lines. If anything it is dependent on socio-economic class, and quality of education prior to college. If the issues of opportunity need to be addressed, let them be addressed along these lines, instead of bringing everything back to race. The factors that contribute to one ethnicity having lower graduation rates, etc. are not unique to that ethnicity - they are a toxin affecting vast swathes of society - admitting minority ethnicities is NOT addressing this problem, merely trying to quick-fix it. A more appropriate solution would address educational opportunities at much earlier level.

Furthermore I will assume that Andrew did not say that minorities are being admitted simply on their status of being a minority, but only that there may have been a few more academically qualified (that is to say, better grades and test scores) applicants that may have been rejected in favor of a person with minority status who is less academically qualified, even though they may have had the same academic opportunities. I think this is quite likely.

A further note to other commentors - I have seen many of you refer to the common practice of "some white kid" to categorically describe the authors anti- Affirmative Action pieces. Don't you think that is a bit racist?

Danielle S
Thu Nov 19 2009 22:57
I would just like to thank Mr. Carpenter for writing this opinion piece, as controversial as it is. While I personally completely disagree with his position, for better or for worse, this is the way a lot of people in America and on the UW campus feel about this topic. Reacting with hostility towards people who have opinions contrary to your own only alienates your own cause- it shuts people down, makes them refrain from voicing their opinions in the future, and eliminates the opportunity for you to change minds. Only through a respectful dialogue can we ever hope to solve racial and social problems. The majority of the comments I see on this site, on both sides of the debate, are encouraging to me- I feel they reflect a much richer, honest discussion about diversity than all the forced, fake, pointless "diversity" discussions I have ever gotten in social welfare courses!
T H
Thu Nov 19 2009 22:50
Andrew, perhaps you should own up to the fact that it's not the university's policies that cause you to question the abilities of the minority student sitting next to you, but your own racist tendencies. It's quite easy for you, as a white student, to talk about how what really matters is ability, but have you ever considered the fact that not all students are offered the same opportunities to prove themselves as you are? That some students may not have access to the AP and IB classes, caring teachers, and supportive families that it often takes to put together a successful application? That some students struggle to achieve the things that you take for granted. Obviously, you haven't, or you wouldn't have expressed yourself so carelessly. Perhaps you should spend the rest of your tenure here broadening your horizons a bit more.
Kyle Kleinbeck
Thu Nov 19 2009 21:04
The Wisconsin Idea is why we are all here. For those of us who missed the cheesy commercial on tv, it states that the work of the UW system should extend to the boundaries of the state. To embody this statement, UW-Madison, must incorporate the full spectrum of backgrounds, ethnicities, cultures, etc. that are included within the borders of our state and potentially beyond. I have always viewed the "select your race from the following boxes" component of any application with distaste. It seems to be an archaic extrapolation from race to ethnicity or cultural association. I do, however, highly value my interactions with students from different backgrounds. I would not be here if UW-Madison did not embrace the high level of diversity that it attempts to, because I would be the same one-dimensional white sconnie today that I was 7 years ago when I first matriculated. I think that ethnic diversity is key to the Wisconsin Idea and a quality education that encompasses the knowledge gained from courses and from our interactions surrounding those courses. We are not here to merely turn our 30+ ACT scores into the awesome ability to implement a Faurier transform. We are here for personal growth and development, which must include diversity.

Andrew brings up the question of how best to include diversity within the admissions and scholarship selection processes without selectively modifying standards. I think that the logic of this question is flawed, though not entirely. Most people have commented on the flaws of Andrew's argument, so I need not add to that. However, it is no mystery that students coming from some school districts must overcome some extreme challenges to achieve scores, grades, and resumes that are competitive enough for admission. For example, MPS has the highest turnover rate for teachers in the entire state, which puts students in classrooms with rather inexperienced teachers and underutilized resources. These students have the same potential as anybody else, but may not have had the resources to showcase that potential. UW-Madison and organizations within it strive to provide these resources in a post-secondary environment. Andrew seems to believe that this comes at the expense of turning away "more qualified" students, but in fact it enriches the quality of education at this school for those of us who were fortunate enough to be admitted. By contrast, "white privilege" comments seem to focus on those of us from suburban schools with extensive resources and experienced teachers. Attending these schools provides us with the privilege of showcasing our potential prior to beginning post-secondary studies. However, it is a disadvantage to spend your childhood within one economically privileged group, because it teaches you very little about the world in which you will one day work. Therefore, it is critical to expose ourselves to new people and new ideas at places like UW-Madison through programs like Plan 2008, GERS, and others.

Jessica Pharm
Thu Nov 19 2009 09:21
To Rodion,

I have a right to my own opinions and will share those just like our friend Andrew has done. Don't tell me to get a grip. He insulted me and my friends by saying the only reason why I am here is because of my race. That completely dismisses all the hard work I put in to come here and to stay here.

I stand by my last comments. Let you and Andrew think whatever you want. Your comments are a clear reflection on you as a person than they are on my abilities as a student.

And oh, race is NOT the main or even the defining factor in determining a student getting in here. How do you explain those students of color that aren't accepted here?

Somethings will never change with people.

I am done. I got a degree to earn.

Rodion Romanych
Thu Nov 19 2009 03:32
Jessica (Pharm), et. al—

Use your head, and step outside of the echo chamber. People can publish opinions divergent of your own. And a campus newspaper publishing such is no crime, unless you fundamentally misunderstand the point of journalism, democracy etc. A forum of differing opinions is not a *bad* thing, unless of course you prefer totalitarian rule. Don't make the Cardinal a bad guy in this.

That race should not factor into admissions (but rather socioeconomic background should) is not an absurd, marginal or uncommon viewpoint. It's highly legitimate and subscribed to by many. If you would step outside of your bubble for a moment—away from the cacophonous groupthink— and take a deep breath, you would see that popular opinions differing of yours do and can coexist. Get a grip.

Jasmine Bradley-Wilson
Wed Nov 18 2009 22:57
First of all, I understand that you have a right to your opinion but I strongly disagree. Why is it any of your business (or anyone else’s) how I or any other student of color got into UW? Why is it that no one, questions if a person’s athletic ability or the fact that their parent(s) may have donated a certain amount of money was the reason why they were accepted here? Why is it that when race gets involved everyone has something to say?
I am a PEOPLE scholar and was also a part of the Information Technology Academy (which is also a Plan 2008 program) throughout all four years of high school. During every school year, I sacrificed my Saturdays twice a month for 8 hours a day, to learn various technology skills and programs, college skills, and career skills. I wrote letters to important officials like Governor Doyle and the superintendent of Madison schools and made PSAs about various subjects that affected the community. During the summers before my freshman and sophomore years I participated in two week summer camps to learn about hardware and building websites. During the summers before my junior and senior years I worked in two different internships where I was able to utilize the computer skills I learned throughout ITA. To continue to stay in ITA I had to keep both my grades and attendance (both at school and ITA) up to par.
Less than a week after I graduated high school I participated in the Summer Collegiate Experience which is an 8 week program to help with the transition from high school to college. It was rigorous work, but I am so glad that I had the opportunity to do it, because it made being here a lot less challenging and prepared me for the fall.
The programs under Plan 2008 are handouts you say? I disagree. The scholarship must be EARNED. If you do the work, get the required GPA then you will get the scholarship. If you slack off and fall behind and do not do anything to improve your situation you can say goodbye to your scholarship.
How can you say “It makes sense to expect minority students to drop out at higher rates than white students now, since some minority students were not admitted solely on their ability to succeed at a Big Ten school.” Have you interviewed minority students who have dropped out? You really think that all minorities who drop out, have dropped out because they can’t SUCCEED? That may be the case for some but not all. Did you ever consider that finances may be an issue or there may be family/ personal problems going on that cause them to drop out? No you haven’t.
Next time you want to talk about how these programs are “handouts”, make sure you know what the requirements are and how much hard work goes into these programs before you make such a ridiculous statement.
Oh, one last thing….you say it is much harder to be racist than to be a minority on campus? Please…give me a break.
Emily Crain
Wed Nov 18 2009 22:54
at first i was curious as to why everyone was thinking AC was racist. While this is an opinion peace and he does take a look at all aspects, he goes beyond what is right to say when saying "race-based admissions can bring up an unsettling idea of how that minority student sitting next to you in lecture got into"

yeah i do tht everyday, i look to the different cultured people around me and wonder how the hell they got into madison, BULL. Yes, people can be shallow, but a MAJORITY of people are not THAT shallow. Maybe review your offensive oppinion before posting this Badger Herald.

Lydia Statz
Wed Nov 18 2009 21:23
In contrast to those of you who demand an apology from the Daily Cardinal or say they should be ashamed of allowing this type of opinion to be posted, I would like to thank the editors for upholding the primary values of journalism-objectivity and promoting a forum for discussion.

While I do not agree with most of the opinions expressed in this article, I have absolutely no problem with said opinions being published, and am especially proud of a campus that takes the kind of risk to encourage everyone to share their opinion. To those of you who have been bashing the newspaper for printing this piece, let me enlighten you as to a fundamental right called "freedom of speech."

The first amendment ensures not only that Andrew Carpenter is entitled to hold his own opinion as well as voice up, but also allows you to share your own, and allows for the type of enlightened, thoughtful comments that have been posted on this forum to encourage an open debate and improve society.

Thank you, DC, for providing us with such a piece that has fired up this campus and provoked more thought and debates than I have seen in a long time.

jon derenne
Wed Nov 18 2009 20:24
I don't care about the diversity of campus. The people who are most qualified to attend this school should be the ones who attend this school and race or religion should have nothing to do with the admissions process.
Dang Chonwerawong
Wed Nov 18 2009 20:15
There is nothing more to say that my PEOPLE, Posse, CeO, and other students have not said already. Their comments spoke to the qualifications and critical thinking skills that brought them here to UW-Madison. I am proud of everyone of them and also to be a part of the university's effort to recruit these exceptional individuals to our campus. My best wishes to you as a senior about to enter a world much larger than you have ever experienced. I admire your courage to share your uninformed thoughts in public and hope that this same courage will help you grow as a person so that we can be proud to have you as a fellow Badger alum.
Lauren M
Wed Nov 18 2009 17:35
It's ignorant people such as yourself Andrew Carpenter that put a bad taste in my mouth about white people. You speak about stuff that you know very little about. This university is FAR from diversity but of course you wouldn't see that because your NOT a minority. You have what my fellow minority people would like to say "white privilege." Your so caught up in "diversity" in this school that your being blind to the bigger picture. It seems as though everytime minority students get a little boost, people like yourself want to try and take it away from us or say that "it's not fair"...well I don't think black people being slaves for over 400 years was fair either, but it still happend. White people automatically start out at a disadvantage because their white!..so please don't try and say the little things that give minorities a boost in this society (Affirmative Action, PEOPLE program, POSSE, race in admissions, etc) should be excluded. And again..I don't know where in the world you got the idea that diversity is large on this campus..(had to laugh at that one) but I think you need a serious clue. Next time you go to class/lecure, count how many minorities you see sitting in that room, I can almost guarentee you can count on one hand...even in a lecture of 100+ students.

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